If the beauty of the world and the complexity of the universe constituted good evidence for God's existence?

Don't you think that God must have slipped something? If believing in Him has necessarily to be through faith, and through faith only, how come He happened to make the world so unmistakenly beautiful and the universe so unmistakenly complex?If the beauty of the world and the complexity of the universe constituted good evidence for God's existence?
i understand what youre saying. how can there be any 'evidence' for gods existance yet there still are claims that god wants to remain hidden and that we should believe based on faith alone.





a paradox?If the beauty of the world and the complexity of the universe constituted good evidence for God's existence?
You mean that the beauty of a liver fluke or necrotizing fasciitis and the complexity of the vacuum of deep space is not sufficient proof to you that there is an infinitely complex, infinitely powerful, infinitely knowledgeable being who created the entire universe of a billion billion billion billion stars (and quite possibly more) just so that we could live on a small planet orbit one insignificant star, and loves us so much that he lets thousands suffer every day.








You are just so close-minded to the TRUTH!!!








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This is the Douglas Adams and the Babel fish argument from the ';hitchhikers guide';. Basically since God requires faith anything he does to absolutely reveal himself would cause him to vanish in a poof of circular logic.





Obviously your answer is that the beauty of the world is not absolute proof fo God's existence which is I believe what you intended to say. It is good evidence, but , like any other evidence, it can be refuted.
No, beauty is a subjective aesthetic sense, so can't be evidence of a god. One man's beauty is another man's ugliness or neutrality. How could these simultaneous perceptions be linked to a god's existence?





The complexity of the universe is what it is - how would this constitute evidence? Is there some measurable threshold of complexity, below which would signify no god, but above, a god? What would be the linkage between such a complexity level and the existence of a god? What would this threshold be and why?





@Frizby-


%26lt;%26lt;What i find strangely amusing is the fact that many big bangers or evolutionists believe that their beliefs aren't faith based and just primarily proof and evidence based..%26gt;%26gt;





Go on then, feel free to point out an example of what you mean! I'm a bit of a BBer myself, so go for it...
Obviously because of lack of evidence we need faith to believe in God, but all Christians or believers in God will tell you that all Creation is evidence enough that God exists..





What i find strangely amusing is the fact that many big bangers or evolutionists believe that their beliefs aren't faith based and just primarily proof and evidence based..





If we were to look at the evidence from a science perspective would we really see evidence or would we see assumptions calculations and guess work..





Is this really the evidence that all scientists and atheists praise to be the ultimate truth, it somehow seems strangely like faith based to me, nothing else..
This Nature is subjected to an absolute organization, to determined laws, to a complete order and a finished design, from which it will never depart鈥攖o such a degree, indeed, that if you look carefully and with keen sight, from the smallest invisible atom up to such large bodies of the world of existence as the globe of the sun or the other great stars and luminous spheres, whether you regard their arrangement, their composition, their form or their movement, you will find that all are in the highest degree of organization and are under one law from which they will never depart.





http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/SAQ/s鈥?/a>





But when you look at Nature itself, you see that it has no intelligence, no will. For instance, the nature of fire is to burn; it burns without will or intelligence. The nature of water is fluidity; it flows without will or intelligence. The nature of the sun is radiance; it shines without will or intelligence. The nature of vapor is to ascend; it ascends without will or intelligence. Thus it is clear that the natural movements of all things are compelled; there are no voluntary movements except those of animals and, above all, those of man. Man is able to resist and to oppose Nature because he discovers the constitution of things, and through this he commands the forces of Nature; all the inventions he has made are due to his discovery of the constitution of things. For example, he invented the telegraph, which is the means of communication between the East and the West. It is evident, then, that man rules over Nature.





Now, when you behold in existence such organizations, arrangements and laws, can you say that all these are the effect of Nature, though Nature has neither intelligence nor perception? If not, it becomes evident that this Nature, which has neither perception nor intelligence, is in the grasp of Almighty God, Who is the Ruler of the world of Nature; whatever He wishes, He causes Nature to manifest.





One of the things which has appeared in the world of existence, and which is one of the requirements of Nature, is human life. Considered from this point of view man is the branch; nature is the root. Then can the will and the intelligence, and the perfections which exist in the branch, be absent in the root?





It is said that Nature in its own essence is in the grasp of the power of God, Who is the Eternal Almighty One: He holds Nature within accurate regulations and laws, and rules over it.
Your question doesn't make sense...it's like asking ';why did God slip up and make you so beautiful and so sexy?'; as if those are negative things?





The beauty and complexity of the world and the universe are for His own pleasure, as well as ours.
to make it simple for us but too bad many of us still dont undertand..according to Quran....Allah has His signs all around us and within us if only we ponder.....


and it also says....is there doubt in Allah who created the heavens and earth?





its all so perfect and so well managed.....it all follows a schedule...still ... do you wish the deaf will hear you do you want to show the right path to people who are blind.....people who refuse to see with their eyes are blinded by Allah as a punishment and they never see sense.
What is the question?





It presupposes an answer, because you assume that 1) God made


the world, and therefore 2) There is a God. That is unfounded logic.
It doesn't necessarily follow that ';God'; is anything like how the biblical tradition asserts, though. Vague arguments for a deity are hardly arguments for Christianity.
Beauty is merely aesthetics. Awe is a human reaction, not spiritual. It is often mistaken for a spiritual experience.
There is no god or heaven or hell.





All gods are imaginary. See www.godchecker.com





Read the book ';the god delusion'; by Richard Dawkins
The universe is also unmistakably hostile to life.





Does that mean god is a prick?
His ways are higher than ours. Perhaps some things are not meant to be known, at least not in this life.
God makes the rules.
God made His presence aware. It's all documented in the Bible. So, we do have more than faith to go on; it's just people choose to ignore it.